Comments on: Dear Backyard Breeders

By: payson terhune

payson terhune — Sat, 17 Oct 2015 04:13:38 +0000

By that logic nobody should have children of their own or god forbid go on fertility drugs while there are starving 3rd world orphans to adopt. Oh and while Im proud to be a “breed snob” I also rescue and donate to no kill rescues and shelters. Its a shame dog owners are being pitted against eachother based on where they got thier dogs. Peta and the SPCA like us fighting amongst ourselves….

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By: payson terhune

payson terhune — Sat, 17 Oct 2015 03:58:26 +0000

Speaking of unethical breeders, how many of you are aware the SPCA is now considering getting into the breeding biz themselves in order to insure a steady stream of appealing young puppies? These disgusting holier than thou dog-murdering hypocrites actually have ads wanting to BUY unwanted puppies. Methinks they’d like to get a monopoly on the puppy mill biz and re-brand it “rescuing”…Want to know who is responsible for the deaths of untold numbers of shelter pets? THE SHELTERS who refuse to adopt a no kill model and would rather euthanize a dog than let it leave with someone who cant afford to cough up every penny of the adoption fee. Here in SF our spca operated successfully on a no kill basis for a few years but must have missed playing god and pocketing “pound seizure” kickbacks from research labs because they’re back to their standard “purebred breeders and puppy buyers MADE us kill all these dogs” bs.

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By: payson terhune

payson terhune — Fri, 16 Oct 2015 13:02:01 +0000

I won’t argue with you because your mind is already closed. The people who need shutting down are the ones doing the euthanizing

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By: payson terhune

payson terhune — Fri, 16 Oct 2015 13:00:16 +0000

Stigmatizing responsible purebred breeders is not the way to save dogs. What will save dogs is the aspca getting over its disgusting anti no kill shelter policy. Shelter dogs get euthanized because of policy not neccessity….

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By: Arliah Davis

Arliah Davis — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 05:04:54 +0000

Hi, I own a rescue program. I understand where you are coming from but with the fencing and other things these people need to know that this dog will not get out via jumping a fencing or will not be starved because you are unable to feed the dog. I own four huskies and we have a second fence as well and a 6ft fence, we’ve told all our locals at the back that our dogs are all friendly and will only want to play with your dog but because they are closely related to the wolf people are afraid to go and get them so the call the RSPCA or the rangers and they come and take then dog. Yes our dogs are microchipped and desexed but the rangers and put 2 of my older dogs down beacuse they were classed as aggressive, when they were just scared.

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By: Dorothy B Driver

Dorothy B Driver — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 17:07:41 +0000

where we live is what I meant to say

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By: Dorothy B Driver

Dorothy B Driver — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 17:06:32 +0000

thank you so much I hope you are successful in your endeavors my family volunteers at the shelter where we kuive we all have seven dogs together all spayed and neutered. I wish other people would take care of their pets the same way.

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By: todd

todd — Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:06:19 +0000

I’m a dog trainer. I work full time at a rescue organization as well as do house calls. I have had 2 litters on my own some years back as well as several litters at the shelter. I get where some of you are coming from but it seems some of you may be a little mislead. Whenever I’ve had to rescue a litter of puppies or a pregnant mother, it was never from a reputable breeder. Breeders have their place. They breed working dogs, guide dogs, police dogs, therapy dogs…. When I was younger, my girlfriend and I had just bought our first house. We went to a few rescue shelters and were turned down for various reasons. Not being married, not having a fully fenced yard, etc… What we ended up doing was buying a dog because, well, we wanted a dog. I bought a dog who was returned to a breeder. She was a great dog. The breeder had a very nice facility, all records, akc papers. He spent a lot of time talking with us on the phone and in person and even came to our house. About 2 weeks later I discovered my new dog was pregnant. I called the breeder and we both realized now why the dog had been returned. He helped me through the entire process from start to finish. I couldn’t be more grateful for all of his help and everything I learned. When it came time to sell the pups we met with many people and had to decide who we would send our pups home with. They all went to really nice families and many of them kept in touch and sent pictures or cards at christmas. There is a big difference between a breeder breeding labs that are in high demand than the places I’ve been to rescue puppies. Filthy basements in apartment buildings, cold garages in winter. I was at a large apartment complex where every single household there had blue nose pits. These people were breeding and trading amongst each other. Then there are prized fight breeders and status symbol breeders. Some of these dogs sell for as much as 60k. Then of course you have your breed mills. I don’t even have to go into how bad those are… That is where your problems lie. Most of these inner city breeders are breeding for , drug money, because they didn’t spay or neuter, for status (tough looking dogs) or for fighting. My shelter at all times is at least 1/2 pit bulls. If we had the resources we could add 300 kennels and fill them all with pits. These are the dogs, at least here in the north east, that need the most help and it’s because of what I just mentioned. It has nothing to do with legitimate breeders. We do get pure breeds. labs, king charles, you name it. but most of those are owner surrender, usually because the owner died or some other circumstance. Very seldom do we see pure breeds that have been neglected or abused. That tells you something about the breeders breeding these dogs, the price of the dogs and the difference between these irresponsible people over breeding certain breeds in horrid conditions. This is the first time I have seen a toad dog.. not sure what it is, looks like staffie mixed with bull dog.. That comes from one of those status symbol breeders obviously experimenting and trying to market the monstrosity he created. They concoct all kinds of crazy mixes, giant presa canario pit mixes, ect… It’s absolutely crazy and the money people are willing to pay for these dogs is insane! Now here is the problem for the average joe. I read some of these comments, Shelter dogs have issues, they aren’t potty trained and so on.. I can tell you that about half of my dogs hold it in their kennels where they are permitted to go if they have to. yet they hold it often from 5 pm until 9 am or longer. Yes absolutely some have issues. Believe me I work with some of the toughest cases in the business! However those are the dogs that spend a lot of time with me before making the adoption floor. I have never lost one yet. Other wise our dogs are temperament tested and we get to know their personalities So I can assure you the right dog for you is available at a rescue shelter. Above I mentioned how hard it can be to get approved for adoption. It can be ridiculous! If you meet the requirements, great! Where else can you find a dog for 400.00 that’s fixed, utd on shots, chipped and trained? If 400 seems like a lot you must realize they are all get full check ups on arrival, poop samples, blood tests. If they are sick they get cared for. Some dogs cost us as much as 20,000.00 in vet bills from everything from mange to being hit by cars. Myself, I don’t do the adoptions and I have nothing to do with the process so believe me I get frustrated just as much if not more than you. Nothing gets to me more than when I see a dog who’s been there for a year who is bonding with a potential adopter get turned down over some stupid reason like they don’t have a fence.. Does a min pin really need a fence? I’ve heard it all from these people are too fat or even too old to take this dog on proper walks. I get very disgusted when I hear things like this. especially when I have a dog who is becoming stressed in the kennel or a puppy who is growing up in a shelter… What happens is these people who volunteer to run shelters get attached to the dogs. They begin to feel that almost no one is good enough for them. They make their decisions based on how much money they make or how nice their home is which often results in the wrong dog going to the wrong people. My theory is these people are going to get a dog no matter what. It may not be our dog, but it stands an equal chance of one day ending up in a shelter. For those of you in rescue who may see the side of the people going over adoption apps, yes some dogs should have a fenced yard, or may not be comfortable around children.. but these blanket policies have to go! We at rescues are very much responsible for the deaths of thousands of dogs who we couldn’t save because we didn’t open a kennel over some stupid blanket policy! Remember for every dog you adopt, you save 2 dogs.. the one that goes to a home and the one who takes their place. If we open the flood gates and base adoptions on matching dogs to people rather than do these people fit the mold we have created then I think you would see a ton of people adopting over shopping…. If you made it this far, I’m going to leave you with a few tips for adopting dogs…
– For companion dogs, choose a dog for its temperament rather than breed.
– To avoid the hassles of application approval, volunteer at your local shelter. This is by far the best way to choose a dog. You get to try before you buy, make a difference, make some new friends and you get to know the staff.. When they see who you are in person, all those restrictions fly out the window. It’s a shame that it has to be this way, but everyone of our volunteers and our officers have one or more of our dogs and even our own officers do not qualify to adopt from us… Vice pres, no fenced yard, 3 dogs… President, E fence (we don’t adopt to e fence owners) 3 dogs. Me, apartment, no fence yard and I have the toughest case that has ever been at our rescue… It’s a shame but hey, we can always use a hand… and you will be seen for the person you are rather than how you look on paper.
– Visit your local pound. Many of these dogs aren’t throw aways. There are many reasons good dogs end up in pounds. Talk to the staff, ask about their habits and behaviors. They often have dogs that they highly recommend… even pure breeds. They have very minimal restrictions if any and fees range from 5.00 to 100.00 dollars and often come with a spay/neuter voucher.
– adopt a senior dog! Worried about house training or training in general? Seniors come with wisdom and many rescues are willing to bend the rules because there is little interest in these dogs. Our Gunnar is 11 and a teddy bear! Very smart, active and loves to chin nibble and give gentle kisses.. In fact he can play soccer! and I mean he’s really good at it! but he is overlooked because of his age. He’s been with us for 4 years. If somebody wanted to give him a chance I know we’d even waive the fees. So don’t discount a senior dog.
– Be weary of adoption events and none brick and mortar rescues.. Not all are like this, but many actually pull dogs from rescues down south. many of these dogs are from puppy mills… not because they shut down a mill or rescued these dogs, but because the mill surrendered 40 dogs it could not sell or mothers who no longer are useful. Some of these organizations are really just help mills cut their losses.. so do your research.
– When you do get a dog, please have it spayed or neutered. We can’t blame breeders, rescues and individuals when we are all responsible… We can blame the toad dog breeder, he’s just an asshole! So don’t buy into that marketing BS!
– Also train your dog. Don’t be afraid of trainers! I charge 35 per hr and can usually get to the bottom of the behavior in a few minutes, work with the dog for a couple hours and set you on a path to success. So call a trainer, buy a book, be proactive and patient… socialize your dog and don’t ignore bad behavior.
I hope You walked away from this with some new insight and a view from within rescue. If it helps just one dog to succeed, it was worth the effort.

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By: sharon illenye

sharon illenye — Sun, 28 Jun 2015 10:12:51 +0000

to Linda who said this: The purchase price of a well bred animal is insignificant when spread out over a lifetime. Breeding purebred, healthy companion dogs is not unethical, immoral, irresponsible, greedy or cruel. Are there abusers? Of course. Go after them. Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. Ethical breeders, whether in fancy kennels or at home (yes, even homes with backyards) will continue to provide those loved companions that make our lives worth living…..

I say this: Dogs that are inbreed – that is, pedigree dogs are not healthy. Goldens have a 60% chance of getting cancer due to inbreeding. Bulldogs need Csection to give birth. German shepards have severe skeletal issues. this is due to people deciding on a standard way an animal should look and this way has nothing to do with their health. People are loving their breeds to death. How vets can allow this to continue without speaking up is immoral. And when there are 3000 animals killed in shelters a day, how can there be such a thing as ethical breeding.

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By: kawoodford

kawoodford — Sun, 28 Jun 2015 03:42:17 +0000

“It costs a responsible breeder of PROPER Bulldogs over $2000 in Vet fees and Stud fees just to conceive and deliver a litter,” – Know why? They’ve been so screwed up by “breeding” that they can’t breed normally any more. Get out of here with your bs.

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