Dear Backyard Breeders

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Do you see this dog? You have destroyed this dog. This dog is incapable of doing anything- it can barely hold itself up much less walk. 

It’s disgusting how proud you are of your backyard breeding project. It’s disgusting and it should be criminal. I have no issue with responsible & ethical breeders, it’s those breeders that work to better their breeds of choice but these back yard breeders…  

 

These backyard breeders are a infection, a virus in the dog community. You heard me, if you are a backyard breeder-  you are a cancer and you need to be cut out.

  

I get it- these dogs are your cash cows, they pay your rent, buy you fancy crap and a claim to fame. Everything you have is because you have your dogs pump out litter after litter of inbred mutations that will never have a chance at life because you’ll just inbred those puppies too.

  75 freaking dogs with no purpose but to bring in money. Thousands of dollars for what? Dogs that have been overbred, inbred, barely able to walk, breath, stand…. thousands of dollars for a dog that may live 3 years?

  Seriously, if you can look at this dog and think it’s a fine representation of ANY breed- you need to go slice your finger and jump into shark infested waters.

  If you think this dog is healthy and living up to any sort of life for a dog – please, please, please do the world a favor and go play in traffic.

  Abusing dogs all because you don’t wanna work a real f@cking job.

  

176 thoughts on “Dear Backyard Breeders”

  1. to all brain deads breeding this poor dog, die an agonizing, painfully, slow death! This is what you are doing to this dog. Drop dead so you can’t breed them anymore!

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    1. I agree stop breeding all together there are far to many mixed and pure breeds being euthanized daily because of ignorance. Adopt a shelter pet you will not regret it and it cost a whole lot less for that unconditional love you get in return.

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      1. Our shelter pets cost nearly $200. You don’t even know what kind of animal you’re getting. It may have trust issues, potty training… I used to something adopt
        from shelters, now I am more choosy.

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      3. The problem with adopting a shelter pet is that it actually is insuring the backyard, unethical breeders will always turn out inferior animals that keep the shelters continually over full. While there are many fine pets available at shelters, your best bet for a long term, loving partner in life is do your research on breeds and breeders, and choose a puppy bred for health, longevity, disposition, and athleticism. The purchase price of a well bred animal is insignificant when spread out over a lifetime. Breeding purebred, healthy companion dogs is not unethical, immoral, irresponsible, greedy or cruel. Are there abusers? Of course. Go after them. Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. Ethical breeders, whether in fancy kennels or at home (yes, even homes with backyards) will continue to provide those loved companions that make our lives worth living.

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      5. GSNAP – Your shelter pet cost nearly $200.00? Wow! I’ll bet it was already spayed or neutered, up to date on shots and maybe even microchipped. See if you can buy a purebred for that. And do you think they come from a pet store potty trained, with no issues? I don’t think so. Even from a breeder you have to potty train them and do some behavioral training, which it sounds like you don’t have any interest in or time for, so you still don’t know what you’re going to get. May I recommend a gold fish?

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      6. So punish all the ethical breeders because of the bad behavior of the unethical? I bred and showed dogs for more than 30 years. NOT. ONE. OF. MY. PUPPIES. EVER. WENT. TO. A. SHELTER. I agree these dogs in the article are an abomination and should be put down rather than suffer a pain filled life and a slow death but it’s wrong to say no one has the right to own a well bred, healthy, purebred dog, if that’s what they want. The overpopulation of mixed breed and poorly bred purebreds can best be handled through public education and heavy fines for pet owners with un-spayed and un-neuthered dogs. Exemptions could (and should) be made for hobby breeders who are SHOWING their dogs, either in the breed ring, trials or ring sports. All of you who are so concerned about the dog and cat overpopulation – get off your butts and start educating your family, friends and the people who live in your community. Shut down the pet shop in your town who sells pruebreds or *designer* dogs, because they are getting their dogs from puppy mills. (If they are saying they get their dogs any other place, THEY ARE LYING!)

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      7. Stigmatizing responsible purebred breeders is not the way to save dogs. What will save dogs is the aspca getting over its disgusting anti no kill shelter policy. Shelter dogs get euthanized because of policy not neccessity….

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    2. These breeders are merciless toward these poor defenseless dogs that didn’t ask to be born and the Humane Society should really clamp down on these breeders and put them out of business once and for all. Shame on you breeders-you don’t care about the animals-only about the money you can rake in-and the people buying these poor dogs are no better.

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  3. This is not only back-yard breeders! All breeders, even those who sell the pups for thousands of dollars are looking for the almighty $$$$. Just because you say you are a responsible breeder does not make you responsible – you are still looking for money and that’s it! Don’t even argue with me because I will not listen to your stupid.

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    1. It costs a responsible breeder of PROPER Bulldogs over $2000 in Vet fees and Stud fees just to conceive and deliver a litter, Then, take 4 weeks out of your life where you will be feeding every 2 hours and pottying and cleaning and you get the idea of where the costs are. A PROPER Bulldog should cost between $2000 and $4000. If you are paying more or less than that, you are either getting a poor, puppy mill dog, or an “exotic” MUTT like the ones shown above.
      There is NO MONEY to be made by breeding properly, I know!!! I
      I do not care if you do not listen, but maybe someone else considering purchasing a Bulldog will.
      That is all.

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      2. Nancy, what do you mean by a proper bulldog? I hope not an “english bulldog”. Any dog who cannot deliver puppies naturally should be removed from any breeding program. And puppies who are shaped in such a way as to routinely require C-sections to be born should not be bred.

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      3. The only money u should ever spend getting a dog is an adoption fee breeders of all kinds are doing nothing to help the over population of animals that lead to the euthanasia of thousands so your comment Makes no sense to me why spend thousands on an animal when u can save ones life for a small adoption fee i don’t see where people think there is any praise to be given to a dog breeder

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      5. The comment you made at the end..that is telling the world that you would like to remain ignorant.

        Good, reputable breeders are called that for a reason. people in it just for the money ARE backyard breeders..what you are talking about is all backyard. Inform yourself.

        There are some amazing breeders out there. I know a breeder who you can tell how much he loves his animals just by his instagram pictures. He built beds for them, socializes them, is constantly playing with all of them and letting his crazy huge momma bully pit sleep in his bed with him, practically smothering him haha. there are good breeders.

        What should be illegal though is anyone who just allows their dogs to breed. backyard people inbreeding AND random people just breeding their dogs. so many puppies end up in shelters. especially pits. just stop breeding just for money, period. bc the people who are good breeders..you can tell that they spend money on their dogs

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      6. You said it costs $2000 for you to produce and care for a litter. At an average of 6 puppies sold for $3000 each, you still make a hefty profit of $16,000. “No money to made in breeding properly.” Yeah. Keep telling yourself you don’t breed for profit. By the way, “responsible breeder,” puppy care lasts 8 weeks, not 4 weeks.

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      7. Well said. And in response to the comment that someone else could make 16k on their bulldog litter…. The average sized litter is 4, maybe 5. That $2k to get the litter on the ground doesn’t include health testing the parents, showing one or both of them to their titles, health testing the puppies, after care, the unforseen vet bills, responsibly taking a puppy back and refunding money where appropriate and possibly placing a puppy for free or near free if there is an issue, it doesn’t include that new chair the puppies decided to chew the leg off of while you attempted to clean the basement or the carpet that got ruined when they attempted to potty train that rescue or help with a puppy they placed with an inexperienced puppy owner. It certainly never pays any kind of wage for staying up all night and cleaning up after them all day. It will never compensate for the heartache when a baby they nursed back to health and bottle fed every two hours for two weeks suddenly passes away. Yes there are backyard breeders who are in it for the money but TRULY DEDICATED breeders aren’t in it for themselves and they certainly aren’t in it for compensation. I get sick and tired of hearing that tired old rant from people who have never gone through what a breeder goes through and sacrificed what a breeder sacrifices just so certain dog lovers who are a but uneducated, full of themselves, or both, can look down their noses and spit on the years of dedication and work that goes into creating the breeds they admire and enjoy. If we all gave up and walked away, what kind of breeders would be left with to produce the dogs you love? Scroll up. That’s your answer.

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      8. I agree with you. It is the same with breeding any animal. If they are cared for properly, there is little to no profit — just reimbursement for quality care. I have heard the same from great ferret breeders.

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      10. I fully agree with this. We have a 9 month old Golden Retreiver. We did months of research into breeders before we got him. I asked for recommendations from people who had pups from this breeder. We received pedigree papers with him and to say we are pleased with our boy is a HUGE understatement.

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      11. Oh Nancy, are you kidding? You’re either full of yourself or full of sh*t, or both. “Take four weeks out of your life…”, please. YOU are responsible for the situation you are in (exploiting your dogs) so don’t act like you’re having to go out of your way for anything. You’re not making money on your dogs? LIE. Yes, that is an outright lie. IF you’re spending $2000 for vet fees (presumably for a caesarian because bulldogs can’t usually give birth naturally, another reason NOT to breed them), you’re still selling 3-4-5-6 or more pups @ $2000 each. I’m not sure how you do math but $2000 x anything more than 2 means you ARE making a profit off of your dogs. Cut the breeder rhetoric BULLSH*T, because that’s all it is. You’re all greeders regardless if you call yourself a “reputable” breeder or a backyard breeder. PS – There is no such thing as a responsible breeder. Producing more of something that is already overpopulated is in no way responsible.

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      12. Thank you Nancy! Well said. I too breed Bulldogs. To every one who is doing the math. The average litter is 3 – 5 puppies. The first puppy sold pays for the vet bills / litter bills. The breeder will probably keep a puppy. That leaves 1 – 3 puppies to make a profit off the litter. Don’t forget we have to feed the dogs and take them to the vet the rest of the year! Most reputable breeders also show so there are fees / gas with that too. There are also bills for health testing. Here’s some real #’s from my taxes last year. For my entire year (1 litter) I brought in $6560. This includes a little won at dog shows. My expenses were $7548 and that’s only through October. In 2013 my girl did not get pregnant so I lost $5853 (for the year)! My kennel consists of 2 full time females (my 2 males live off site) and I keep my puppies for 10 weeks.

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      13. Good response. Yes, I am a breeder. Once every couple years we have a litter. We show. We compete with our dogs in a number of sports. We sell a few puppies to people who are very well researched. We give dogs to veterans who need a service dog. Several of our dogs have become service dogs for other people. We test our breed dogs extensively. We will always take back a puppy/dog that we bred, at any age, for any reason. We also have 6 rescues, two of which we pulled out of kill shelters in other states. Do we do this for the money? Do we breed for the money? Boy, I sure hope not. We probably lose close to a thousand dollars/puppy overall. We do it because we love our dogs & we love the breed.

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      14. And all the cost of health testing, cost of showing the dog, if you are the bitch owner the cost of the puppy care and shots etc. in my world (Great Danes) dew claw removal and cropping, if you are the stud owner you have all the collection fees and paying for storage etc, etc etc. if done properly and for the betterment of our breeds it is extremely costly and we do good to even break even!

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      17. A “PROPER” bulldog no longer exists because of breeding for vanity. A “PROPER” bulldog would be able to procreate without Veterinary intervention. I love bulldogs. I even know some great breeders that I trust (which is saying a lot). BUT… Bulldogs (English Bulldogs) should no longer exist based on the way they have been bred. They are too narrow in the pelvis and too large in the head. They are too bracheocephalic and have soft pallets that are way too long. They have chests that are too deep and legs that are too short to allow for proper natural breeding. Then, if they can manage the physics of it all they don’t have the stamina to maintain and see it through. THEN, when there are puppies created (whether they managed to be the small percentage that can conceive naturally, or they are the majority who need to be artificially inseminated) Mom’s pelvis is too small to pass a puppy who will likely get caught in the birth canal because they were bred to have the “eye pleasing” large head and barrel chest. A “responsible breeder” has considered all of these things and has paid for a Vet to artificially inseminate their female whether with a collected sample in the office with the male handy, or fresh frozen semen shipped in. in 30 days a RESPONSIBLE breeder will be back for a series of x rays and ultra sounds to determine the size of the puppies and the number of puppies. Then, a RESPONSIBLE breeder will have their vet on speed dial for the inevitable c-section. In the very likely event that those puppies come outside of business hours (which is typical), a RESPONSIBLE breeder will have a back up vet who takes emergency and after hours calls who will be as caught up on the dog’s progress as their usual vet. THEN, a responsible breeder will spend every 2 hours bottle feeding puppies and making sure that mom doesn’t roll over on them and smother them in their sleep. When they are approximately 6 weeks old a RESPONSIBLE breeder will make sure they start their first round of deworming and vaccinations. A RESPONSIBLE breeder will wait until the puppies are 12-16 weeks old before selling them, and will ensure that any inevitable cherry eyes have been addressed and surgically corrected. Any orthopedic issues have been addressed, any heart murmurs have been addressed and any over-elongated soft pallets have been addressed. Yes, a “PROPER” bulldog from a “RESPONSIBLE” breeder costs thousands of dollars. for what? a 6-8 year life span riddled with crippling orthopedic, respiratory and reproductive issues? that is a super “Improvement” to the breed over the last 20 years. Way to go “RESPONSIBLE” breeders of “PROPER” bulldogs. As a vet tech and active animal advocate with experience in several states, I have yet to meet this particular “responsible” breeder of “proper” English Bulldogs.

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      18. What’s interesting about your comment is this article is about dogs so ill bred that they are considered mutations and are incapable of living a healthy life. I’m afraid much the same can be said truthfully about “proper” bulldogs. Any species (or breed thereof) that cannot successfully reproduce on its own without human intervention is not a species worth perpetuating.

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      19. I have a rescued mutt that is all you could want in a companion dog–had him from a small puppy found along side a rural road. No health or disposition problems. There are no blanket statements for animals

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      20. Even English Bulldogs are designer breeds, that have multiple health issues, even from the most responsible breeder, if you are talking about American bulldogs that’s a little different story, the health issues go down quite a bit but like any pure breed you run into health and behavioral issues. In the article it doesn’t say not to go to a breeder but to avoid backyard breeders who allow two dogs they don’t have backgrounds on mate just because they are the same breed. Also the other thing is most people don’t do their research on the breed I see this a lot with huskies they think they are beautiful but never research they then purchase from a breeder and then wonder why this dog is tearing up their yard and house, then the dog ends up on a chain or brought to a shelter, that shelter then has a dog that has no training and now has behavioral issues, because people are to lazy to do their research on breeds and only go off looks. Just today at an adoption event I had a pure rottie that someone got as a puppy then for one reason or another decided to chain the dog, the dog was removed because of neglect.

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      21. I couldn’t agree with you more Nancy. It’s this kind of idiot and all the other BYB’s that give reputable breeders a bad name. They are the ones that don’t care at all about bettering the breed. They are nothing but greedy sick low lives. The problem is people don’t educate themselves on this breed and are taken by people like this , over and over. Makes me sick. EB rescues are overflowing with dogs like this. So very sad.

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      22. “It costs a responsible breeder of PROPER Bulldogs over $2000 in Vet fees and Stud fees just to conceive and deliver a litter,” – Know why? They’ve been so screwed up by “breeding” that they can’t breed normally any more. Get out of here with your bs.

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      2. Pure bred animals, aka genetically inferior inbred mutations of what dogs should be. Mixed breeds, aka natures genetically perfected dog, are healthier, temperamentally superior and better all around than any purebred dog out there. I love all dogs, but I’m sick of greeders giving themselves undeserved pats on the back.

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      3. There are plenty of pure bred rescues around so providing more pure bred is no excuse. Obviously breeders have never been in rescuing animals that have been abused, abandoned and left at shelters to die. Yes pure bred breeders animals do end up in shelters and rescues so bettering the breed is bs it’s about money and not really caring about animals in general. If you cared you’d help rescue and rehome not create more hopelessness.

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      4. How the hell do you think horses, hippos, elephants, gators, etc etc mate? With a different species? Do you want an English Bulldog to mate with a chihuahua or Great Dane? That’s the stupidest comment ever.

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    3. No not all breeders are into it for the $$$. My last litter cost me over 7 grand from health tests, shots, specialty food for my girl, stud fees, vet bills and time off work to make sure the THREE puppies she had were healthy. Sold two of my pups for the money making amount of $800 each and I kept one.I made a whole LOSS of $5400. I have a litter every 2-3 years. No not each female. My girls have 2-3 litters in a lifetime. I own 2 breedable females, one spayed and one male from my last litter. Unlike the backyard breeder who makes sure they make money, responsible breeders bread to the standard and ONLY when there is enough people wanting pups. NONE of my pups have ever been abandoned in a shelter. I can call ANY of my puppy buyers and know where they are.My puppy buyers send pictures, come to visit, etc. I also will take back ANY dog/puppy I have sold AT ANY AGE if the owner cannot keep them. Will the backyard breeder do this? Nope, they can’t make enough $$$ from an older dog. So sad Wendy you are so narrow minded that you can’t tell the difference. Please join PETA as they are against anyone owning a dog to the point they put down dogs surrendered to them…..

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      1. Breeders themselves are responsible for creating and sustaining the standard. If breeding to the standard results in puppies whose physical characteristics contribute to their ill health, discomfort and extreme veterinary expense, they should not be bred. There are many breeds out there that fit this bill.

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    4. You don’t know much about dogs, do you? Responsible breeders health test(like OFA, thyroid, cardiac, etc.) and title their dogs before breeding. They breed to better their breed’s standards. They are members of breed groups, they have homes lined up before litters are even born, they interview and sell their puppies with contracts and guarantees, contracts that say if you ever can’t care for the dog the breeder will ALWAYS take it back. They keep in contact with owners of their puppies and don’t make ANY money off of their litters because all the things they do to ensure they are healthy and safe costs that much. They may have one or two litters and a few dogs, many co-own and co-breed. You seem a little ignorant on breeders to be calling anybody stupid, but I’m glad to know you won’t be arguing.

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      2. The usual rhetoric “greeders health test blah blah blah”. You should, purebred dogs are so genetically messed up its the LEAST you can do is make sure they are somewhat healthy before you exploit them for profit. Yes, for profit (if you’re a breeder who says otherwise, you are a liar).

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    6. Lady your stupid some people are licensed to breed and go great lengths to make sure each animal is healthy and well taken care of. And is very selective to whom her dogs are given to good homes checks health updates. There are some good people still. So do your homework and shut your ugly mouth. Thanks ignorant lady.

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    7. If any breeder truly cared about their dogs or their breed they would not continue to breed and add more to th overpopulation. If a breeder doesnt know and understand by now that their puppies are more than likely going to end up in a shelter then they are extremely ignorant to what theyre doing. It all boils down to money.

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      1. Responsible breeders keep track of where their pups end up. They maintain contact with the families and at any time in that dogs’ life the owners cannot keep the dog the breeder will take them back. The breeder i get my Labs from will not sell to anyone that is going to make of of her pups an outside dog. All her pups are raised in her house. She does not have any kennels/runs that her dogs stay in. You need to meet a responsible breeder and see how their dogs are cared for.

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      2. The over population is caused by puppy mills, backyard breeders and designer dog breeders. Go on down to your local humane society and just see how many dogs down there are from AKC champion parents. Bet you look extremely long and hard to ever find one. Good breeders only sell their puppies on a spay neuter contract and WILL take them back for any reason, at any time.

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      3. Actually over population is now sort of a lie. We are importing dogs from other countries and transporting them around the country to shelters with less dogs, because shelters need dogs to make money and stay in business. We now bring busloads in from Mexico to fulfill the need.http://www.npr.org/2015/01/01/374257591/with-rescue-dogs-in-demand-more-shelters-look-far-afield-for-fido
        This practice is dangerous to us all http://www.naiaonline.org/naia-library/articles/humane-or-insane/#sthash.nzicM12X.dpbs
        In fact, many shelters are considering becoming part of the problem to keep up the supply by themselves breeding shelter dogs to create puppies to supply the demand for “rescue” dogs http://outthefrontdoor.com/2015/01/05/the-coming-shelter-dog-shortage/

        It is not true mutts are healthier http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.242.11.1549 studies show that health wise the populations are comparable, with some ailments more common in purebreds and others more common in mutts but the majority showing similar distribution among both populations.

        The fault does not lie with responsible breeders. Puppy mills and backyard breeders are a problem both the health (not breeding to avoid health issues) and in contributing to unwanted dog population. They wouldn’t be if people would only purchase from responsible breeders or adopt from shelters or rescues. However, it is clear that the general public supports poor breeding practices and then tosses dogs that don’t meet their expectations aside. How is this the fault of an educated breeder that screens for health issues, runs a breeding program designed to improve the breed, stands behind their breeding with health guarantees, and will take back any unwanted dog.

        I am looking for certain things in my dog, I want a certain personality type that fits my families lifestyle. I want a healthy dog that someone has spent the time researching pedigree and health of ancestors and is working to eliminate health issues while maintaining gene pool integrity. I don’t want a puppy bred in mexico, put on a bus to America, transported across the country, and then sold to me (as is often $300-$500) via shelter. That is not in the best interest of the animal, but being raised in a home with a loving and attentive family that provides early health care, evaluated temperament, provides on going support and counsel to me, and gives me assurances of what I can expect health wise and backs it up, then goes straight from mom to me, that seems like a positive process for my future family member.

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    8. Not all breeders are in it just for the money. My grandma use to have a kennel and basically did background checks on the people before selling and 90% of the people still send her pictures of the puppies. And the ones that aren’t breeding material they normally kept as pets or sold to people that would take care of them after they got fixed. Several years back someone set their kennel on fire and my grandparents went to the extreme to pull as many of her “babies” as she calls them out. So not all breeders are bad…

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    9. You obviously don’t know any responsible hobby breeders. They may have 1 or 2 litters a year. Before any of their dogs are bred they do a myriad of health tests to make sure that they are not breeding any dogs that can pass along a genetic disease. I myself have spent over $500 on my Lab checking her hips/elbows, for EIC (look it up) and for coat colors she carries. The health tests, costs of breeding (stud fee, vet care) entry fees are part of what a breeder pays. The cost of an emergency C-section can run $1500+. Responsible breeders do not do not make a living off of their dogs. At the end of a year they might break even if they are lucky.

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    10. Listen if you’re a proper breeder you understand it’s a hobby, and not to make money. When proper breeding you get health certificates, vet cost, and feeding, really at the end of the day from a litter that cost 1,500 a pup you make about 3,000 profit give or take 500 which goes back into your breeding program for emergency c-sections, food, vitamins and maintenance on your dogs, gas (for dog shows) ect……. it’s a hobby, and a passion not a business… like when someone has horses or an animal he is passionate about. Don’t be ignorant and stick with your biased opinion.

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    11. That’s not true it’s ridiculas for you to even say that. People have a love for a certain breed and do it for that purpose at least some do anyway not many but some. Do you know how much it costs to auctually breed raise and care properly before you auctually sell a puppy? If a reputable and genuine love of a breed breeder sells a litter there auctually income from the entire litter is NO MORE THAN $500. SO REALLY YOU SHOULD THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU MAKE SUCH A STATEMENT

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    12. So a truly responsible breeder who cares about their dogs should not make money? And you won’t listen to anyone else’s opinion? Why not, what are you scared of hearing? Why are you afraid to listen? Because that is what your comment says to me.
      Too bad.

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    13. you can’t really argue with someone who just has to say other people’s opinion is “stupid” open up your mind.

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    14. So dogs should just all be wild and not bred? Your point is idiotic. Since the beginning of time everything everyone does is for some type of gain, personal, group, family. Everything is for advancement. There are people who do those things responsibly and irresponsibly. I go to work in an office every day where we provide service to people who need food every day to make money, so does the drug dealer down the street and he is looking to make money as well. Is one of us doing something unethical and illegal? Same with these breeders. If you really believe what you commented you have a skewed view of the world and I hope you don’t own a dog or any animal for that matter because then you are just a hypocrite.

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    16. Wendy McKee – if you think that there is no such thing as a responsible breeder, then you are the stupid one! Responsible breeders do not make a penny off if a litter by time all the testing is done and the daily care given to raise a litter if pups.

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    17. Im a breader and i can say to you that we are not making money.
      We put in over 3000 dollars a year in our breading fore shows, gas, medical bills, and so one.
      We have puppys ones a year mabey.
      But we have our dogs as a famely member.

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      1. No Kidding! When I used to breed dogs I used to laugh when people accused me of making money doing so. Then I’d show them with real facts and figures that I was working for 30 cents a day and a bowl of rice. I considered it a red letter year if I broke even (or came close). My motto used to be “If you’re making money breeding and showing dogs, you’re doing it wrong.”

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    18. It’s not ALL breeders, get your facts straight. Besides, if people like YOU get your way and reputable breeders stop breeding, guess what…no more dogs, none, zip, zero! Put the blame where it belongs and that’s not every breeder.

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      1. Thank you, Karen. And if PETA has it’s way, there will be no more dogs or cats in the country in 20 years. NONE, ZERO, ZIP, purebred or mixed breed.

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    19. sounds like a lot of ignorance. I agree backyard breeders are a very big issue, however people who properly breed and do it the right way don’t make as much as you think. If everyone stopped breeding all dogs and cats would be come exstinct in 10-15 years. Life without any pets would be boring. Let’s use Bulldogs for an example, they have to be artificially inseminated then have a c-section which both can cost 5-6000 and then you have all the other costs – food, shots, dew claw removals, welding boxes etc. you have 5 puppies at 2000 each after all the costs they make about 500-1000 total and only have 2 litters a year and offer genetic guarantee again issues with the puppies. Doesn’t seem like a get rich scheme to me. Backyard breeders don’t do any of the stuff a reputable breeder does.

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      1. Speaking of unethical breeders, how many of you are aware the SPCA is now considering getting into the breeding biz themselves in order to insure a steady stream of appealing young puppies? These disgusting holier than thou dog-murdering hypocrites actually have ads wanting to BUY unwanted puppies. Methinks they’d like to get a monopoly on the puppy mill biz and re-brand it “rescuing”…Want to know who is responsible for the deaths of untold numbers of shelter pets? THE SHELTERS who refuse to adopt a no kill model and would rather euthanize a dog than let it leave with someone who cant afford to cough up every penny of the adoption fee. Here in SF our spca operated successfully on a no kill basis for a few years but must have missed playing god and pocketing “pound seizure” kickbacks from research labs because they’re back to their standard “purebred breeders and puppy buyers MADE us kill all these dogs” bs.

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    23. You are probably correct. I have had and now have 2 shelter dogs (pure bred) possibly from the very lady that brags ab out H

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  4. So disgusting!! Its like purposefully making a dog live with the equivalent of obesity, COPD, arthritis, dwarfism and possibly an enlarged heart all at the same time. In fact this is what I wish upon the losers that do this.

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    1. I have a feeling you would put a person down if it didn’t meet your standards. Get mental help. Please do your research. There is good and bad in all things in life.

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      1. Excuse me?? Are you full of crap or what? That is the most ignorant assumption made on my statement I have ever read. No I would NOT put a person down if they disnt meet my standards.
        It is ignorant, immoral and cruel to purposefully breed an animal that will have multiple health problems, lack the ability to be active, and probably not have a very long life span just so you can make a few thousand.
        Fucking idiot.
        Most of the things I listed except dwarfism are considered debilitating diseases, not deformaties. Having watched two members of my family die fron complications of COPD I wouldn’t wish that on anyone…not even a dog. You need to grow some braincells and learn to comprehend. These dogs are not accidental deformities, theses dogs are purposefull bred to be unhealthy. IMMORAL.

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  6. My vet husband and I have been trying to tell friends and clients for years – Just because you have a purebred dog, does not mean it needs to be bred, or that you are qualified to choose a mate. Just because you have an animal does not mean it “needs” to have just one litter, or to be used as a stud – it DOES NOT make it a better pet. We have heard the most idiotic reasons for not spay/neutering you’ve ever heard or why having puppies/kitties would be good for the children. Take your children to a Pet Rescue to visit, or better, to work – then they’ll realize how important it is to spay or neuter your pets!!!

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    1. Oh I agree! I think breeding rights needs to be incredibly restricted- it prevents disgusting unethical breeding practices such as continuous inbreeding and producing defective dogs. You should have to certified, registered and have a license to breed and it should be small litters and not very often.

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      1. How can you control a litter size! It sounds like everybody on this post can’t afford these dogs and are incredibly mad that they cost so much sorry! It’s a lot of time and money put into these pets to produce pets of this nature for other WANTING PET OWNERS! I own a inbred male that I love dearly and he has been alive for 7 years and he is still very active and healthy so do some research before you start bashing breeders because it’s some people out in this world that like pets like what toad line produces

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      2. Did you purposely breed two dogs together to get an inbred pup? I’m not saying that YOUR dog is wrong- but yes- inbreeding dogs to produce dogs that have such physical deformities is wrong- and if you want to pay 10 grand for a dog riddled with health issues then you truly don’t care about the dogs.

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      3. FYI- I have no issues with breeders that are responsible and want to better their breed- but the Toad line doesn’t better the mish mash of breeds they shove into their genetic make up.

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    2. Julie, like you I’m married to a veterinarian and we have heard every STUPID reason in the world to breed FiFi and Fido–because “You know, they both have papers and we can make some money. We also want the kids to experience the miracle of birth.” I just quote the former manager of our local humane society (RIP, Bill–still miss your wisdom and take no prisoners attitude to shelter/rescue work) and tell these same people, “Then you’d better also take your kids to the shelter to see the tragedy of death. They can help carry the bodies to the crematorium.” Hubby’s kinda asked me to not be so blunt.

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      2. Just because he happens to be a vet doesnt give him ANY right to dictate what people do! Just like a doctor doesnt get to dictate what their patients do. And it doesnt make someone “stupid” just because you dont agree with them! Get off your high horse.
        And NO I do not breed nor do i know anyone who does. Im just sick and tired of people who think that their degree gives them some right to control and manipulate and judge other people.

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      3. This is part of the problem. Many people do not realize the responsibility and potential expense of breeding. It could cost you thousands in medical bills, c-sections, mastitis, eclampsia, endometriosis, and so much more. The puppies may have difficult births and die while you try to resuscitate them, they can die of complications after birth, or they could have heart murmurs or liver shunts in which case you should be prepared to keep them and provide needed medical care for their short lives. No one should believe that breeding is all sunshine and roses, easy, or without trauma. The miracle of birth is often heart breaking and expensive and should never been taken lightly.

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  7. These horrible people should be ashamed!!! These poor dogs need to be removed from the house of horrors!!! The greed of these people and these poor dogs have to pay the price!!! Shameful!!!!

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  8. Sorry, but purposely breeding a dog is very poor judgement. Why breed an animal when there are thousands being killed at shelters because they don’t have homes! Many of them purebreds for the breed snobs. Ridiculous. Some may try to justify it, but it’s all b.s. It’s all about money.

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    1. Are you aware that many reputable breeders, actually require that if you can no longer keep the dog you get from them, that it MUST be returned to them? They will fight to get their dog back.

      Recently, the shelter I volunteer at scanned an owner surrender for a chip, discovered a different name as contact, turned out it was the breeder with no idea the dog had been surrendered. The breeder was livid, she was at the door for her dog right away.

      Many of reputable breeders also participate in rescue. The breeder my sister bought her dog from has 6 dogs. 3 show/breeding, 3 rescue fosters. Shelter or rescue dogs don’t always fit what people need in a dog, for example my nephew is allergic to pet dander. They needed a dog that was hypoallergic, and because there were kids involved, one that had a rock solid temperament. It’s very hard to find a shelter dog that fits those requirements.

      I’m willing to bet the purebreds you speak of were bred by people looking to make a quick buck, and didn’t care who bought the dog, as long as the money was good. Believe it or not some shelters won’t release a dog to the breeder or a breed-specific rescue.

      One of the people who volunteers to groom dogs at the shelter I volunteer at is a purebred dog breeder. Before she breeds a litter both parents have roughly $3000 worth of health tests (each). She figures she spends about $6000 on the litter between vet care, puppy health tests, food, supplements and so on. Her breed has on average 5 puppies. Which she sells for $1000. Tell me where she’s making money?

      Both that person and the one my sister bought her dog from require a legenthy interview process to make sure people are suitable for their breed and dogs and finally a signed contract (which requires, among other things, that the dog come back to them).

      I love my shelter dogs, but I’m not so narrow minded to see that reputable breeders also do a lot of good, and don’t deserve to be “painted with the same brush” as the ones who are only in it for a quick buck.

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      2. Again, you can try to justify it all you want. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Every shelter/organization I foster with have contracts that require the dog comes back to them too, so it’s no different. They also cover all vetting and care before adoption. The difference is that rescues and shelters aren’t asking for thousands of dollars to give a dog a good home just because it’s a purebred.

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      3. I can honestly say I have had 2 bulldogs out of 1100 that the ‘breeder’ actually cared about and actually took back when the owner could not keep. EVEN when it’s written in the purchase agreement. Breeders don’t want to be bothered taking back a spayed/neutered dog! Especially if the dog is over 5 years old. And if the dog has health problems,,,,,FORGET it. The ‘breeder’ will hide like the trash they are.

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      4. Thank you Barbara!!! Well said. I bred and showed for over 30 years and had *cradle to grave* contracts on every puppy I ever sold or placed. I also vetted the people who wanted to buy one of my dogs — and had several tell me it was easier to adopt a child from South America than to get one of my puppies.

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    2. Again has been said many many times, the percentage of REGISTERED dogs surrendered to shelters are less than 10 percent. And I stress REGISTERED because unless you have papers, there is no proof said dog is what the so called breeder claims it is. Breeding a poodle to a poodle does NOT mean it is purebred. If it isn’t registered, then there was a reason and usually the reason was it is a mix breed.
      I agree that people should go to shelters to adopt. The dogs there were thoughtlessly brought into this world. Responsible breeders make sure they have good loving homes and will ALWAYS take a dog back if the owner cannot keep them. If a “breeder” doesn’t, they are no different than a backyard breeder.
      As for breed snobs, I know that a Basenji has certain characteristics. And so will the offspring. I know the health issues-yes I spend $$$$$ in tests-and personalities. When someone buys a “purebred” cockapoo, there are no health test ( no, vet looking at a dog doesn’t qualify ), no guarantee on temperament or characteristics. I’ve seen labradoodles that were size of Great Danes and the size of spaniels. I’ve seen some that wag their tails and others that will bite instantly. Some have no coat, some shaggy, some curly. Some with PRA which is a blindness, hip issues, heart issues, skin disorders. And all came from backyard breeders that bought the cheapest poodle and lab and just bred non stop.
      I have worked in shelters. And I am a breeder or REGISTERED Basenjis. I want to see every dog adopted but as long as people buy the cheap dog advertised on Craigs list or from pet shops, the so called breeders will keep breeding and breeding.
      FYI I breed every 2-3 years. One litter. And only if I have screened people waiting. I can call every puppy buyer or visit and know where those puppies are. Not one of mine have been in a shelter. I have bred dogs for over 35 years. Don’t pigeon hole me like the backyard breeder…they give people like me a bad name.

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      2. Again, we can agree to disagree. A dog is a dog. Mutt or purebred, all any of them want is a home and love. Trust me, no one is impressed because you spent thousands of dollars to buy a puppy from a breeder. In fact, I think anyone who does that is a fool. Just because you want to play God to manufacture the “perfect” Basenji, Lab, etc. and charge thousands of dollars for it doesn’t make it right or moral. I guess as long as naive people still buy into this sham that purebred dogs are “better” in some way then you can keep cashing checks. Sad.

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      3. There are no purebred “cockapoos” or “labradoodles”. If you are a reputable breeder, you should know that. They are designer dogs, often with a slew of medical issues! SMH

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    3. I was unaware I was justifying anything, rather I was attempting to inform.

      Did you know shelters often charge thousands for their dogs? (some don’t. Some do). A few months ago a representative a breed rescue was at the shelter I am involved with picking up 2 dogs (they work with dogs of a certain breed, ones that are mixed with that breed, and also work with rescues of other breeds for transportation ect.). She told us about another shelter in the area that refused to release a dog of a certain breed because they could get more money. When I looked at the website out of curiosity, everyother dog was $500, that one was $900.

      For my first dog I paid close to $1000, at a shelter. My second was less (at a different shelter because I had moved-the fee was reduced because I am a volunteer, I ended up donating the difference anyway).

      You say that people pay these sums out of a feeling of superiority (to impress people). I have found people who get dogs from shelters and rescues are often the same way.

      Perhaps Zombies and Dogs has found their next topic?

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      1. Would love to know what shelter is charging that amount to adopt. I have fostered for seven years and even with breed specific rescues I’ve never had a fully vetted adoption fee be over $175.00.

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    4. Some breeders are ethical and responsible breeders and actually DO work hard to improve the health and fitness of the dogs they produce through their breeding programs. Tamara, while there are many abuses in the purebred dog world, most dog breeds were originally created (bred for certain traits) in order to fulfill a specific purpose. There is nothing wrong with ethical and responsible people continuing in that tradition. There is a lot wrong with any unethical person owning or keeping animals to breed irresponsibly, whether they are pure bred or not. We need good legislation and strict regulation of all breeders and owners. That’s how to keep those thousands of animals out of the shelters.

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    5. Well, I’m for sure doing it wrong then, unless by “all about money” you mean how much a person can spend. I’ve bred 2 litters of my breed, produced 3 puppies (I’m not very lucky), kept 2 of them, and gave one to a friend as a pet/agility dog- I had a possible buyer for that pup, but I preferred placing her with somebody I knew well, so I didn’t have to worry. Out of those 3 pups, only one is still capable of producing puppies, and since he’s male, he can only do that if somebody else wants to use him at stud, which so far, they aren’t exactly beating down my door for him. (he’s 5. If it was going to happen, it would have already.)
      So I’ve spent more money than I want to think of, but so far, none coming in. I do have a couple really awesome dogs.

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    6. By that logic nobody should have children of their own or god forbid go on fertility drugs while there are starving 3rd world orphans to adopt. Oh and while Im proud to be a “breed snob” I also rescue and donate to no kill rescues and shelters. Its a shame dog owners are being pitted against eachother based on where they got thier dogs. Peta and the SPCA like us fighting amongst ourselves….

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  9. What have you done to this breed, just to be different. I never post my opinions on anything. But, i have EB and they have so many medical issues already, then to breed these babies into something that i can’t hardly look at because i feel their pain. Do the research before you manipulate this baby.

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  10. Just a little FYI- these are not American bullies. They are called exotics and are monsters. They should not even exist! Please make sure you are referring to them correctly.

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  12. I love it when people who breed bulldogs get all high and mighty, acting like there is no money in it. There may be some who only have 1 litter a year… but there are a LOT more who claim to be ethical breeders (because they breed to the standard), who are popping out a litter every month. Even with the vet bills, even with the random lost or small litter, they are making bank. If they didn’t, they wouldn’t keep doing it. They don’t even have to work, the dogs ARE their job. Those are the people I’d like to see shut down, along with the “exotic” breeders.

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  13. Look what we have done to dogs! We’ve made them sick, deformed, aggressive all for our own selfish interests. They would die for us and we exploit them. Good job humans!

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  14. Bottom line and 1 and only question I have for these abusive people. ….Would you do this to your children? You are sick and should be held accountable and arrested for abuse! ! You can guarantee that I will do my part….. whatever that may be. … to bring you people down and be held accountable!!

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  15. And another victory for the animal rights extremists who are working to END ALL ANIMAL OWNERSHIP. Instead of pointing fingers, maybe you could try EDUCATING. It wont work all the time but today’s “backyard breeder” could be tomorrow’s excellent breeder with a bit of encouragement instead of attacking them.

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  16. Reblogged this on Op het veld bij "Canis Cunerae" and commented:
    Op Facebook vind je verschillende pagina’s en groepen over deze Toadline Bullies. Ik hoop met heel mijn hart dat deze lijn nooit in NL toegestaan of geïmporteerd gaat worden, of dat iemand hier iets dergelijks gaat “ontwikkelen”.
    Dierenleed in een walgelijke vorm.

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  17. we have a husky that was inbred and he was saved from a high kill shelter where he had been turned over at 6 weeks of age. He cannot walk right and has no feeling in his back legs, leaks urine and cannot control his bowels and has to wear a diaper. Our rescue, Almost Eden Rescue, is taking him to UC Davis and trying to use his story to spread awareness about this kind of stuff. The breeder said he was trying to “strengthen the line” by breeding a father and daughter together.

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  18. As I read down all these comments I see so many people defending the breeding of English bulldogs and how much “responsible” breeding costs. I’m sorry, but English bulldogs are just as much of a genetic freak as these “toad line” dogs the original post was about. Now don’t get me wrong, they’re great dogs, and breeders and vets have worked hard to insure a “healthy” dog, but at what cost? Forget the monetary costs for a moment. First you have to go to great lengths to get your breeding stock. You pay a fortune for pedegreed show puppies and take them to shows where you have to be careful that they don’t overheat or overwork because nearly all bulldogs suffer from heat and work intolerance. Then you have to test them to insure they don’t have one or more of the myriad of genetic issues that plague the breed. Once that is done you will most likely have to pay a vet to insemanate your female because males are usually unable to mount and breed the female because of their extreme broad round chests and short front legs. Then you have to make sure you make a date for the c-section because the puppies are unable to go through the birth canal due to their oversized heads and wide shoulders. After they are born you will most likely have to bottle feed them until they are old enough to lap formula and eat mushy food, because their extreme facial features often make it impossible for the puppies to nurse naturally off the mother. That leaves you with a mother that you have to watch so she doesn’t get mastitis from her full teats until they stop making milk. All of this too sell puppies that are prone to breathing problems, heat intolerance, excersize intolerance, hot spots in their wrinkles, and back problems later in life. But this is ok, because they’re “pure bred” and “registered” with “champion titles”. Yep. That is completely different.

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  19. I am a breeder of Champion, fully health tested Coton de Tulear.

    Let me educate many of you on this thread.

    Every single ethical responsible show breeder I know sells their puppies with a contract. This contract says that their puppy will never end up in a shelter or be bred without the permission of the breeder! We keep in touch with the owners of our dogs for the LIFETIME of those dogs to insure they are safe and healthy.

    Pure and simple: shelter dogs come from four places:

    1. irresponsible dog OWNERS who fail to take steps to insure their mutts or purebred dogs do not reproduce.

    2. Back Yard Breeders who purchase two dogs for the purpose of breeding them for money who sell them to a home who answers their newspaper ad cash in hand.

    3. puppy mill owners who purchase and sell dogs in volume to meet a market demand.

    4. The return of these dogs to shelters because upon adoption the people who adopted them realized the dogs had serious health or behavioral problems they were not skilled enough to handle.

    I am not responsible for shelter dogs anymore than you as responsible parents are responsible for children in foster care.

    I chose to breed a litter. It wasn’t an accident or a mistake, it was planned. I invested thousands and thousands of dollars in the purchase of not just ANY pure bred dog, the RIGHT pure bred dog for the traits I wanted its offspring to inherent. I spent time and effort researching the pedigree and health records of several generations behind that dog! Then I spent thousands of dollars testing it’s heart, eyes, thyroid, hips, elbows, patellas and for half a dozen genetic diseases it might be a carrier for. Then I paid a professional thousands of dollars to exhibit that dog in shows so it could be evaluated by some of the most knowledgable dog experts in the World. Then I chose a mate for that dog that had the best possibility to bring the traits I needed to compliment that dog. That dog must carry all of the traits I desire AND have a low COI (coefficient of inbreeding) to insure genetic diversity in its offspring.

    Either I, or the owner of that mate spend thousands and thousands of dollars following the same protocol I did to get that dog to a breeding age. Then ONCE A YEAR, I bred a litter…. Breeding one female no more than 3 times in her lifetime… Sometimes only once or twice! And guess what? Along the way several dogs I invested all of that time, money and effort on did not make the cut to make it into my breeding program so I had to turn away from all of that time, effort and financial investment!

    And BTW, for several years I fostered death row dogs who came to shelters pregnant or with puppies for rescue! Because of my experience as a knowledgable whelper and socializer of puppies I was able to contribute to helping rescue these dogs who would have otherwise been euthanized!

    If it were not for people like me a Golden Retriever wouldn’t be world famous for its wonderful family oriented temperament, an Australian Shepherd would not be able to heard lambs in fields, a Border Collie wouldn’t be able to run cattle and a hound wouldn’t be able to find bodies after a natural disaster! We are the guardians of all that is special about dogs!

    My breed has an amazing temperament and are known in France as the “antidepressant” dog. Two of the dogs in my home are therapy dogs. Also, my dogs are usually fine for people who would not otherwise be able to own a family dog due to allergies. Those people cannot go to the shelter and adopt a shelter dog!

    People have the right to purchase a breed who has genetic predictability for the traits that best fit their home and lifestyle. Not everyone is going to find what they want at the local shelter because it is not the job of rescue or shelters to breed, raise and provide good dogs. The shelter cleans up the messes of people who don’t share any of my values in owning raising or breeding dogs.

    You are lumping all breeders together and painting us with the same brush without evaluating us as individuals. Where I come from we call that ignorance and prejudice.

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    2. I rescued a Coton de Tulear from a shelter while I was there picking up another dog for our breed specific rescue. The owner was turning it in, claiming it was aggressive, bit children, and was in general a monster and the breeder didn’t want it back. I watched quietly from the corner of the room while she held this dog in her arms, tail wiggling, and signed the paperwork to euthanize it or release it to rescue.

      I happened to be talking to the director of the shelter in the back when I walked by his holding cage. He cried, reached through the bars, and did a full body wiggle. She begged me to take him. I did. My parents adopted him and he’s been with them for 10 years.

      Contracts are fantastic – they really are – but people are stupid and lazy and sometimes they forget the piece of paperwork they signed 6 months ago (let alone 6+ years ago) stated the dog has to come back to the breeder or the rescue. Our rescue dogs have dual registration microchips – we’re contacted when the dog is lost or gets picked up by a shelter. In 14 years of rescue, it DOES happen. And yes, we have gotten AKC papered dogs from their owners, complete with paperwork, turned into us (and the shelter, which is when they call us).

      I believe in ethical, responsible breeding. Unfortunately most of the general public does not know what that looks like and those who either toe the line or are the BYB variety do ruin it for the rest of you.

      I’m a primarily a puppy raiser – I do loads of bottle babies and moms with litters. I do my best to give the “quality breeder experience” when I did not create the dogs (or the “problems” as you call them). Our fosters are raised under foot, in our home, with our own dogs, cats, and children. They leave housebroken, understanding basic obedience, crate trained, and well socialized.

      Please don’t lump all rescues and shelters in the same boat – ultimately, yes, we are cleaning up SOMEONE’S mess and it’s heartbreaking.

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  20. This is simply disgusting. Poor animals, condemned to a life of physical limitations by his deformity; only by the sadistic inclinations of a few idiots who claim to be breeders, but really they are just aberrations psychopaths who enjoy seeing the pain they cause their dogs.

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  21. First, the people who are breeding these abominations should be charge with Felony animal cruelty if they are in the U.S. Second if money is what you are looking to get out of this “breeding” program, get your sorry excuse of a life to Taiwan, Cambodia, Korea, or another Asian country where breeding dogs for FOOD, would be more profitable. You are a POS and should be tied to the “bit*h table” (breeding table) and injected with the same massive doses of steroids that you injected the poor pregnant female on a daily basis until the pups are born. And when you have become a freak of nature, we will tie your butt to a barge and travel the world and sell you to the highest bidder!

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  22. To all the “breeders” wether you are a reputible breeder or a backyard breeder, you are all contibuting to the outstanding overpopulation of dogs in this country. I understand that backyard breeders and puppy mills are a big part of the problem. But the fact is that as long as there is one dog to sell in this country there is another dog sitting in a shelter that could have been adopted instead. We need to stop worrying about maintaining a “breed standard” for future generations, that without human intervention would be forever changing. We need to worry more about the quality of life for all dogs and try to get a handle on this epidemic. There are many orignizations that specialize in the rescue and rehoming of specific breeds. If you are truley passionate about your favorite breed think about helping or starting a rescue organization instead. You can take all that money you would otherwise invest in a litter and make sure a rescue dog is healthy and finds a great home. Its sad that thousands of dogs die everyday but people are still worried about finding a good breeder…. just adopt people. Shelter dogs deserve it.

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  23. WELL SAID LEXI…
    I manage a pet store and ONLY rescues come in from the shelter for cats with only $59 adoption fee. All cats have been spayed or neutered, shots, vet checked, fiv tested and flea prevention. Dogs are from $7 to $150 same way. Even my rabbits. In store are spayed or Neutered. It is a shame to see and hear all the stories of these dogs euthanized because of irresponsible people. Yes breeders the reputable ones are good but let me ask this? Every dog you have sold since you started…. Do you REALLY KNOW how they are? Enough said.

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  25. I understand why you wrote this article, but i truly wish you would have left the kennel’s personal information OUT of it. You have provided this breeder with a FLOODING of new customers, they shared your article and THANK YOU for their record high influx of new puppy buyers. This was NOT the goal and I feel like you’ve actually caused the exact opposite of what you intended. 😦

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    1. I’m glad I didn’t leave their name out if it and I doubt people by the hundreds are dropping 5 grand for these dogs- if anything those that truly care for the welfare of dogs should blast these people publically because it’s these types of breeders that fuel BSL. The majority of pit type/bully breed owners are horrified by what Toad Line is doing and everyone who truly cares about dogs should be too. They can be proud of their infamy and their label as animal abusing back yard breeders.

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  26. Yes! Great article! Those poor mutant dogs and the clueless people who buy them…ugh. This is exactly why shelters overflow and breeds are ruined, all because of stupid greedy backyard breeders! So incredibly frustrating…. 😦

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  27. I’m not a breeder, never have been never will be , but if I were I would DEFINATELY be in it for the money….if there is no profit only loss wtf is the point?
    I’m pretty picky when it comes to where I get my “things” and I for one would never chose a backyard breeder- I can tell- I’m pretty observant.

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  28. This article is ignorance at it’s best.. one if your asking 2-3k for a puppy your in it for profit plain am simple.. I used to be a breeder an got out of it because of people like you.. not once did I find a puppy a home over $500 because my cost was not for profit, merely the cost I inquired to care for said puppy while I had them for 10 weeks. I had one breeding female, never more than that. Which is recommended standard from AKC an a vet. Do your research. I had one breeding litter a year. That gave momma an babies bonding, training an recovery time.. She lived a loving 14 years as well as my stud. They both were fixes after age was a factor an died peacefully as companion dogs. I had an required contracts for new families to sign. Backyard /puppy mill breeders are trashed unsocialized puppies an you can pick them out quite quick if you do your homework. You my dear are in a ignorance of bliss. I hope you enjoy it there. Paying 2-5k for a puppy is pure profit. A good home is way more important than profit in my opinion as a owner /breeder. I took puppies back. Loves them as my own an welcomed them in my home. If you cant treat them as your family/kids DONT GET A PET!!

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  29. As long as dogs of all kinds, shapes, ages, backgrounds are neglected, abused, abandoned, and overfilling the shelters of this country, there is no need, NONE, to be that picky.

    In a world where we try make being fat, skinny, short, tall, black, white, angry, shy, whatever… as acceptable as possible for all humans… there are still people that want “that perfect dog” just because.

    Any animal can be that perfect companion. ANY.

    Every dog I’ve owned was one I rescued in some way. That doesn’t make me better. It just says that not unlike myself, I hope that people can accept me for my outlandish appearance and outspoken ways, I take that approach with animals,… cats, dogs, ferrets,… you name it.

    An animal is not a lifestyle choice, it’s a living being.

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  30. I am going to say 2 things: A BREEDER once told me, you don’t breed dogs you love. and the other, until the homes catch up to the number of dogs, ALL breeding should stop, reputable or otherwise. The killing of innocent, healthy animals needs to stop. And until that happens, NO MORE BREEDING.

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  31. You people are just dumb, stop arguing about this. Great you have your own opinion and you want everyone to hear it. Your so close minded that you won’t listen to any thing the other party is saying. One of you dumb people said to stop breeding all dogs. Well let’s think about this logically, if everyone stops breeding because our shelters are over populated, and then we all buy from these shelters, in a few years we won’t have dogs. So your saying what the hell is she talking about right, well shelters fix all the animals that go through them so they can keep population down. So if all our animals are fixed and sold through shelters when there population is down none of them will have the parts they need to reproduce. Wow logic. I do agree that these low life back yard breeders who live of the state and the income from these poor animals should be stoped, but I do not think that the breeders who went through the proper chain and got there papers to legally breed should have to stop. They are monitored to make sure that things like this dog up top don’t happen. If any of you supposed responsible breeders in here rambling on don’t have you proper papers to breed then you should stop talking. And please all you hippies stop trying to push shelter dogs on everyone. I do agree that all dogs should have a home but I do not agree that all family’s are the right choice for a shelter dog. I have two small boys, they are loud and we’ll all boys, a shelter dog is not good for my home. I as a mother do not want to take the risk that my child may be to loud and scare that dog, and then he bits one of my babys. It would not be fare to my children or the dog. When we got a dog, we picked a puppy from a farm that there dog got pregnant on accident. She got out and when they found her two days later well she was pregnant. We couldn’t be more happy with her. She is part of our family, one of the kids and she knows it. I don’t think she would have fit our family had she been from a shelter. Just to clarify the record we did try 3 times and every time was bad, the one was abused (which the shelter never told us) so when we brought this beautiful black German Shepard home my kids fell in love, right away we notice noises bothered her, if you moved to fast she would cower and hide. When we took her to her first vet appointment, she freaked out from all the noise and bucked loose of her collar, we were unable to catch her before she ran in to the street and got hit, my children were Devastated. So stop with all of the bullshit if you want a pet from the shelter then you go rescue all of them and if you prefer something else then great that’s your choice. Just be smart about it because if you stop buying from these mills and low life breeder, they will have to stop because there not making the money. I’m done, I apologize if I offended anyone that was not my intention I just needed to speak my peace have a great day and take care of the animals you have.

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  32. Your basic premise is faulty. If I could not find a healthy, well-bred collie from a reputable breeder, I would not adopt from a shelter; I would not have a dog. I did adopt a shelter dog over 20 years ago and it was the most heart breaking experience I have ever had. The dog was emotionally unstable and ripped my hand open to the bone without warning. He was euthanized and I will never make that mistake again.

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  33. Honest question to all of these “reputable breeders”, if you’re all putting so much money out of pocket and not making a dime, how is this the profession that you make a living on? Hmmmm……very questionable.

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  34. What I don’t get is, if Pug, English Bulldogs, Shar pie (and so forth) breeders are so caring, they are sooo selfishly “bettering the breed”, then why are those breeds still deformed? It doesn’t matter how you put it, flat faces, tiny “teacup” bodies, rolls of skin, they’re deformities. Everyone is so (rightly) cross about the dog in tge article, but English Bulldogs are deliberately bred with heads so large they can’t walk down a hill, all by people who are “bettering the breed”. Pugs, and a few other breeds, are bred with flat faces, I know a one year old pug, it’s friends with my rescue girl, he cost over £2000, he has everything, every health check, every bit of paper work to say he is healthy, he has had them all, he is a show champion bloodlines etc. I loathe his breeders, why? Because this dog is a “perfect” pug, yet my 15 and a half rescue Jack Russell outruns him, he has less breathing issues, she doesn’t sound like a sick Darth Vader after running for 2 mins, her body isn’t this shrunken stocky thing. This is how “loving” people breed dogs? What about German Shepherds, they used to be able to jump 6 foot walls, but my neighbours 3 year old £1400 German Shepherd has such a sloping back, as per KENNEL CLUB “breed standards”, that his tail is practically dragging across the floor! He can’t keep up with my 15 and a half year old Mongrel. I adopted her last year, she is only a little Jack Russell x, she is blind in one eye due to an untreated eye trauma (with previous owners), she came to ne obsese, now? Perfect in every sense, amazing temperament with all animals, including the human kind, brilliant girl. Anyway, people who breed this animals can’t really call themselves dog lovers, if you really loved your breed, then breed the flat faces, sloping back legs, giant heads out of them. Then, I suppose those are popular breeds, so they won’t go anywhere. They fetch too much money. Kennel Club are monsters. If people started breeding other humans to have such traits, it would be considered barberic, cruel, people would be horrified… Yet apparently ok to do to dogs, that’s fine, because it apparently “looks good”. Pffftt.

    I will always rescue, I would never buy. Uneducated people say “you can’t get the perfect rescue” or “rescues don’t have solid temperaments, they have issues”. Not true, not at all. Some of the dogs with the best temperaments I have ever known are rescue, people buy puppies, they don’t raise them right, they end up badly behaved or snappy. Anyone with any decent amount of canine behavior knowledge, or semi decent training skills, doesn’t need a puppy to get a dog moulded with their lifestyle, they can train an older dog such a way.

    I don’t think it’s justifiable for anyone to be breeding right now, overpopulation isn’t a myth, and it’s a global problem. It’s not just the back yard breeders either, that’s like saying silver cars are the only ones not adding to pollution. Something needs to be done to control people breeding, and breeding should be licenced, getting a licence should be very difficult. It won’t happen though, and non human overbred animals will be the ones to suffer.

    I’m not here to participate in any argument, just putting my opinion across, say what you want in reply, I’m going to do another homecheck for a rescue.

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  35. I loathe his breeders, why? Because this dog is a “perfect” pug, yet my 15 and a half rescue Jack Russell outruns him, he has less breathing issues, she doesn’t sound like a sick Darth Vader after running for 2 mins, her body isn’t this shrunken stocky thing.

    I mean to say, my girl outruns him, she doesn’t have breathing issues, unlike the pug who sounds like a sick Darth Vader after running for 2 minutes. My Jack Russells body isn’t a shrunken, stocky thing, unlike the pugs.

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  36. Seriously people do you think there would be any dogs left if,we spay and neutered the entire population and did not support the really good breeders out there. A responsible breeder takes their dogs back no matter whatfor the life of the dog. A responsible breeder test their dogs before they breed their dogs to make sure there is no genetic issues. Responsible breeders make sure their dogs are titled either as confirmation Dogs, Agility Dogs, flyball dogs, obedience dogs, search and rescue dogs, herding dogs ect.. Responsible breeders sell their puppies on spay and neuter contracts. Responsible breeders socialize their puppies do instinct tests on their puppies and temperament test to make sure the right person is getting the right puppy. They follow their puppies their whole entire lives. Responsible breeders make sure they know exactly who’s getting their dogs and check them out six ways to Sunday. Responsible breeders have cost like progesterone tests, x rays and sonograms to see how many puppies are being produced. They only use dogs in their breeding program that have great temperaments great structure and can offer something to the breed. Those of you making these stupid comments about all you should ever have is a rescue dog who are you promoting here! Responsible breeders dogs don’t end up in rescue! Backyard breeders dogs do. If we spay and neuter every dog on the planet we wouldn’t have dogs any more. People would be out of jobs. Groomers wouldn’t have jobs, trainers wouldn’t have a jobs! I completely agree with this article about backyard breeders they are the issue not the responsible breeders! let’s lay the blame where the blame should lie!

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  37. It’s sad that you only pin point the exotic bully. Look what breeding has done to the show dog version of German Shepards, they can’t even walk, the horrible deformation of the bull terrier skull. However I’m not going to get into other breeds since you choose to focus on this breed respectively.

    This is a new breed being bred in the wrong direction. There are too many exotic bully breeders breeding towards horrible flaws. They don’t know any better. No one will acknowledge the breed and set a standard for it so everyone is creating retarded looking mutants with bowes legs, toed in and out, bad hips, and muzzles a little shorter then they should be. They are breeding dwarfism into these dogs. It is wrong.
    I’ve been around bernese mountain dogs breeding and showing my whole life since Jr handler. I fell in love with bullys and instilled my pride into them.
    I am leading a movement called The Exotic Standard. We have to create a standard for these terrible rookie breeders just trying make money and have their dogs raped starting st the age of 8 months and then every 6 months after til they die with other highly flawed structured dogs.
    The exotic bully in my eyes is a shorter version of a bully with a slightly shorter muzzle, straight fronts, properly working rear. The problem once again is lack of education or standards.

    I know your very very ignorant towards this breed but I need you to understand this. People are going to breed these dogs wether you or anyone else including myself doesn’t want it to happen. The only way to save this breed and help save these future puppies is to create a standard of health, movement, and temperament before it’s too late. We have to make these genetic messes worthless so they stop breeding them. My dogs body’s are all pysically correct. There muzzles are shorter as well as there height. But I promise you they have no issues running a mile with me a couple times a week. English Bulldogs are short and wide and have short muzzles and some have trouble breathing. No one attacks them…why? Because there body’s aren’t very flawed and they can move properly. We need to reach this with this relatively new breed.
    Instead of your heart being filled with hate and ignorance maybe you should try to educate the less fortunate and ill informed like I do.

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    1. I’m far from ignorant of these breeds, I’ve seen the damage, the cruel breeding techniques- the bottom line is these “breeders” are doing nothing, absolutely nothing to better the bully breed. As a APBT owner, I know the dangers of poorly bred dogs- it’s those dogs and their owners that strengthen BSL/bans. I’ve yet to see the bully community come down hard on these backyard breeders. You and I both know they are not breeding for good intentions- when will the bully community stand up and say enough is enough?

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  39. I had a chinese pug I paid a lot for that was inbred and he got so vicious that I was made by law officials that he had to be put down, I took my dog for his yearly and left with my dead furbaby. I hate back yard breeders and pray God will give them just what they deserve.

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  40. Well I was just blocked from making post to their page, guess they didnt like what I had to say. This is an abomination. These poor dog look so sad………….WHY BREED OR BUY WHILE THOSE IN SHELTERS DIE..!!!

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  45. The problem is that half of these people are drug dealers and are going to spend 5 grand on this dog and breed it and have no idea what they are doing. They don’t know what hip dysplasia is, they don’t know about dna faults and improper movement. They think they just bought a “badass” dog.

    Listen, you aren’t going to stop people from breeding these dogs. They love them, as do I. So instead of bashing help spread the word of creating a breed standard for these dogs so it’s not just a god damn free for all. If there was guidelines on how to breed these dogs this retarded looking flawed versions of the exotic bully would fade away and become worthless in price so they wouldn’t breed them any more. Ukc, abkc, and akc won’t really recognize the exotic bully. This has to change. Think of it as reverse psycology, you can’t stop them so you might as well save future generations by aknowledging them. If you care about any k9 and their future health you would change your approach towards education and furthering the health of the breed.

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  47. So do any of those people that say breeding should stop bc there is a huge overpopulation issue have children? I mean that’s like saying there’s so many orphaned children in the world so everyone should stop having kids until the others are all adopted. It’s just not realistic especially considering that dogs would go extinct if all breeding stopped. I do think what they are doing to these animals is horrific and this type of breeding should be stopped but stopping the breeding of all dogs just doesn’t make sense. I bought a papillon from a breeder and he was aggressive towards anyone that came near me (which is not typical behavior) and she took him back no problem. Do some AKC pups somehow end up at the shelter? Sure, but they don’t account for nearly as much of the problem as dogs that did not come from a reputable and responsible breeder and were from puppy mills, backyard breeders, and rescues. I don’t care where anyone gets their dog, whether it’s the shelter, the pet store, or a breeder, it doesn’t make anyone better or worse of a person. People need to stop acting all high and mighty just bc they got a rescue dog. That’s great and sure I wish more people would rescue but people should also be able to choose the type of dog that fits their wants, needs, and lifestyle… And they may not be able to find it in a shelter. Nobody should be looking down on someone bc they chose a breeder instead of rescues. I think the real problem isn’t necessarily with the breeders but with finding a way to start regulating who can adopt or purchase a pet. Puppies take lots of time, you need to house break them, train them, play with them, walk them, and love on them in order to set the foundation for a well behaved adult dog. So many people dump dogs for potty in the house issues or chewing things up etc and they are pissed off at the dog but really it’s their own fault for not taking the time to properly train their dog, not the dogs fault. I think all the comments went way off topic. Most of us are on the same side here guys… we think what has been done to these animals is horrific and that this type of breeding should stop. How did we end up attacking each other? It’s okay to adopt a rescue and it’s okay to buy from a breeder. What’s most important here is that people are doing what’s best for the breed so they are producing healthy offspring and then that people receiving these dogs are responsible pet owners. So my suggestion to the people saying rescue is the only way and stop all breeding, is instead of attacking the breeders maybe start educating potential pet owners, and becoming an activist for regulations to be put in place for people trying to adopt/purchase dogs/cats. Your problem truly lies with the people who abandon these animals not the ones who produced them. And really the overpopulation issue is a completely different topic than what this article is even about.

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  48. If we had stricter laws in place for backyard breeders (not talking about actual breeders who care for their dogs) this would help overcrowding so much in shelters. We could make it a felony instead of just a slap on the wrist and a fine, along with adding some sort of deterrent like the ‘breeder’ would not be allowed to own any more animals for a ten year period of time with unexpected check-ins to make sure they aren’t trying to do it again.

    We need to spread awareness about what a good representation of a breed is and be informed on what their flaws are as well as their good points before making a decision about bringing that dog into your home, and if you have the financial means to properly care for it. I am getting a Cavalier King Charles spaniel from very good lines from a show breeder who truly cares for her dogs. The parents are the epitome of what a cavalier is expected to be like, in disposition and temperament along with a clean bill of health yearly. You have someone who is informed on the breed guiding you to the right puppy and giving you details on their little personalities (and if they work with your personality and lifestyle)as they get closer to going home. With shelter dogs you’re sort of forced into making a decision within an hour to whether or not you want to being a new family member home with you or not.

    Sometimes the shelter staff lie or really don’t know what your mutt is comprised of and when you think you’re getting a dog that is a complete couch potato from your initial visit you instead you get a dog that runs up and down the hallways because your work out needs and its don’t match up. Consider your life style and what might happen to you in five years. Are you going to start a family soon? Do you want a running partner, or just want someone to cuddle on the couch with you? Do you really have enough time for a high energy breed like an Australian Shepard ? Could I be able to control my dog if it got into a fight with another dog(think of a 4’11” woman trying to control a Great Dane on a walk)? People need to think about that’s best for their family and whats best for the dog instead of going to said shelter and saying “OH WHAT A PRETTY FACE!” Most of the time you still end up with an awesome dog but other times you may have to put in a lot of work with food aggression, guarding, or maybe even timid or aggressive behaviors learned from the owners that dumped them off there in the first place. Just be INFORMED before you make a decision, really get to know the dog you want to adopt, it’ll save you and the dog a lot of pain in the long run.

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    1. I agree with your first point 100%. I wonder why there is no movement to regulate breeding. It shouldn’t be the easy money for some people and I don’t know why we can’t enforce the sort of behavior you would get with a good breeder (i.e. you have to do health testing, you have to vet your buyers, etc.)

      However, I don’t think shelter staff lie — I think they do the best they can. It’s very hard to identify dog breeds, especially when they’re young. It is compounded when you deal with mixed breeds. The only case I see when people got something they weren’t expecting is when people get a dog as a puppy. One of the pluses about adopting an adult or almost adult dog is what you see is what you get. That, and you save a life.

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  49. As a cat rescuer (I won’t deal with dogs due to potential aggression, house-breaking, & behavioral issues or risk lawsuits,) I have pulled more than a few PURE-BRED cats and kittens out of high kill shelters before they were euthanized. They cost me thousands in veterinary bills because when these pur breds, who the breeder tried to make “the breed better,” get sick, they really go downhill fast and have the hardest time fighting off infection. Of course; the breeders will NOT take them back because they don’t want outside “germs” or viruses coming back into their precious catteries and their queens or studs getting sick. Spend a few nights at an Emergency vet, pay for a vet to hospitalized an animal on IV fluids, shove antibitics down its throat twice a day, and get up through the night to shove wet food & fluid into that “Pure bred, who was bred by a bred by a human to be better.” My domestic cat rescues, they catch colds in shelters too. Guess what? NOT one of those cats needed fluids or thousands in vet bills. A week or so of meds and they’re good to go! Breeders, Greeders, keep telling yourself you’re helping animals by profiting off the animal sex trade or that you’re making your favorite breed better. If you truly want to help your breed, go pull all the pure breeds of your choice out of your local shelter and help adopt them out that way.

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  50. to Linda who said this: The purchase price of a well bred animal is insignificant when spread out over a lifetime. Breeding purebred, healthy companion dogs is not unethical, immoral, irresponsible, greedy or cruel. Are there abusers? Of course. Go after them. Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. Ethical breeders, whether in fancy kennels or at home (yes, even homes with backyards) will continue to provide those loved companions that make our lives worth living…..

    I say this: Dogs that are inbreed – that is, pedigree dogs are not healthy. Goldens have a 60% chance of getting cancer due to inbreeding. Bulldogs need Csection to give birth. German shepards have severe skeletal issues. this is due to people deciding on a standard way an animal should look and this way has nothing to do with their health. People are loving their breeds to death. How vets can allow this to continue without speaking up is immoral. And when there are 3000 animals killed in shelters a day, how can there be such a thing as ethical breeding.

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